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Microsoft.com PMTUD black hole?
\ Nathan Anderson/FSR (6 May 2008)
. \ Brandon Butterworth (6 May 2008)
. . \ Iljitsch van Beijnum (6 May 2008)
. . . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (6 May 2008)
. . . . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (6 May 2008)
. . . . \ Iljitsch van Beijnum (7 May 2008)
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. . . \ Bjørn Mork (7 May 2008)
. . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (6 May 2008)
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. . \ Tomas L. Byrnes (7 May 2008)
. . . \ Marshall Eubanks (7 May 2008)
. . . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (7 May 2008)
. . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (7 May 2008)
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. . . \ Glen Turner (7 May 2008)
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. . . . \ Patrick Giagnocavo (7 May 2008)
. . . \ Rich Kulawiec (7 May 2008)
. . . . \ Nathan Anderson/FSR (7 May 2008)
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Subject:Re: Microsoft.com PMTUD black hole?
Group:Nanog
From:Michael Sinatra
Date:7 May 2008


 
Nathan Anderson/FSR wrote:
> Here is a brief update on the situation:
>
> I have been in contact with someone at Microsoft's service operations
> center, who has confirmed for me that MS does in fact block _all_ ICMP
> at the edge of their network, that they are aware that this will in fact
> break PMTUD, and that they have no current plans to change this practice
> which they have implemented in the interest of security.

Although the need for your previous apology has already been questioned
in this forum, the confirmation that they block not only certain ICMP
types, but all ICMP, further vacates the need for any apology for
criticizing this behavior in a pubic forum. It is disheartening for
those of us who use and support MSFT's products to learn that their
understanding of security lacks even the basic nuance to know not to
block an entire--critical--portion of the Internet Protocol. Perhaps
they should also block _all_ TCP and UDP as well, and then we can move on.

I agree with Iljitsch that it happens frequently, but I think I am
justified in expecting more than that from Microsoft. Anything less
would be unprofessional.

*Speaking for myself only, of course!*

michael

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