Re: [opensuse] Opensuse-11-beta2-DVD-delta.iso

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[opensuse] Opensuse-11-beta2-DVD-delta.iso
\ Indhu Durai (6 May 2008)
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Subject:	Re: [opensuse] Opensuse-11-beta2-DVD-delta.iso
Group:	Suse-linux-e
From:	Fred A. Miller
Date:	8 May 2008

Carlos E. R. wrote:
> Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.1.00.0805080239070.19613>
>
>
> El 2008-05-07 a las 20:17 -0400, Fred A. Miller escribió:
>
>>> El 2008-05-07 a las 18:59 -0400, Fred A. Miller escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>> [ you wrote off-list ]
>
>> 'Not deliberate.....just don't always remember to change to opensuse. :(
>
> Feel free to go back on list if you wish.
>
>
>>> But of course. Factory is not to be tested on production machines. On a
>>> production shop you need a spare machine to test things about to
>>> come and
>>> have a chance to report bugs before they hit you. But you can't just
>>> remove a production machine for that.
>
>> Someone seems to always want to borrow or buy my
>> "spare"..........leaves me without one at times.
>
> It happens.

Only too often. ;)

>> Understand that I think that KDE 4.0 IS going to be "dynomite!!" That
>> is, IF all the admin. utils. from 3.5* are included, etc. If it's
>> dumbed down, meaning a loss of features, etc., then it WILL bomb -
>> period!!
>
>> To ease the fears of some, who looked at Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.0
>> when it released, and noted that there was no option to use the
>> "classic" KDE menus, relax.......like 'a the sauce........it's in
>> there......for openSUSE anyway.
>
> I don't like kde 4 because it doesn't play well with kde 3 in the same
> system (I haven't tested this recently, though). So I'm sticking to kde
> 3 for the moment. And relax, kde 3 is included and it works ok. I tried it.

I've had the same experience on this desktop......tried it, but the
results were a disaster!

> What I haven't tried is a new install, I am simply upgrading factory
> each week via "zypper dup". But I know that both are included.

I'd like to play with it. As I said, the OS (11.0) seemed to be
fine....nothing I could find wrong, but that's a Live CD.

> The install screen should be this one:
>
> http://zonker.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bug-379157_yast-2.png

Ok......still think that there should be a firmer warning on 4.0.

> It does mention that 4 is less mature. Relax. ;-)

I did see that. And, to be fair, IF a newbie has an Intel video chipset
with 256MB of dedicated RAM or more, he probably won't have that much
trouble with 4.0 as he doesn't know what's missing in it. If he has
nVidia or ATI, he may or may not find his way to getting the proper
driver. This is where Ubuntu/Kubutu, PCLinuxOS 2007 and others have a
BIG edge.....the drivers are simply installed. The user doesn't have to
add a repository to get them.

> We only need someone checking what the real install screen actually is.

True......thanks.

Fred

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