Re: Sender-ID and the Hotmail devil...

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Sender-ID and the Hotmail devil...
\ Eric F Crist (14 Nov 2007)
. \ Byung-Hee HWANG (14 Nov 2007)
. . \ Eric F Crist (14 Nov 2007)
. . . \ mouss (14 Nov 2007)
. . . \ Listaccount (14 Nov 2007)
. . . . \ M. Fioretti (15 Nov 2007)
. \ Alex Bligh (14 Nov 2007)

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Subject:	Re: Sender-ID and the Hotmail devil...
Group:	Postfix-users
From:	M. Fioretti
Date:	15 Nov 2007

On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 21:55:19 PM +0100, Listaccount
(lst_hoe01) wrote:

> Hotmail randomly changes their rules what e-amil to deliver and
> which not to the Hotmail victims. The only one which might can help
> you is the Hotmail.com support, but no one who cares about e-mail
> uses Hotmail anyway.

this is absolutely false, and frankly it's depressing to find such
assertions which have no basis at all in reality regularly appearing
in a list of email professionals or at least novice administrators /
advanced users.

What is correct is that "no one who UNDERSTANDS how email works or
could work uses Hotmail anyway". This is a statement which is almost
impossible to prove wrong.

But there are hundreds thousands of people who do care about email,
meaning that they use it every day to send and receive important
private or business messages, and do it through an Hotmail account.
It's wrong, it's stupid, it's unresponsible, it's depressing,
whatever but it's a reality.

And it's still plain wrong to assume that one (especially a sysadmin
who must make his or her users happy to eat) can just dismiss the
whole issue with a "surely nothing addressed to hotmail could be
important, so who cares".

Please note that I am not justyfing Hotmail at all, I am suffering
myself for the same problems. It's not your fault, of course, but
yours is not a viable solution. Not if it isn't backed by (lots of)
hard data and user education.

Which brings me to restate an offer I already made on this list, IIRC.

If you can, publish your evidence, that is the proofs that you are
doing everything properly with your mail server, somewhere on one
single web page, and send me the link.

As soon as I have enough material from third parties I'll publish on
the website in my signature, whose target is just parents and
generally everybody without a basic understanding of ICT, a piece with
links and all explaining to those people, in simple terms, why they
should not use Hotmail.

HTH,
Marco
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