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Editing C with...
\ Jordi Espasa Clofent (3 May 2008)
. \ Manuel Wildauer (3 May 2008)
. \ Darrin Chandler (3 May 2008)
. \ bofh (3 May 2008)
. . \ Alexander Schrijver (3 May 2008)
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. \ Gilles Chehade (3 May 2008)
. \ Pierre Riteau (3 May 2008)
. \ Robert C Wittig (3 May 2008)
. . \ Girish Venkatachalam (3 May 2008)
. . . \ Denny White (4 May 2008)
. \ Marco Peereboom (3 May 2008)
. . \ Alvaro Mantilla Gimenez (3 May 2008)
. . . \ Douglas A. Tutty (4 May 2008)
. . . . \ Stephan Andre' (4 May 2008)
. . . . . \ Åke Nordin (5 May 2008)
. \ Owain Ainsworth (4 May 2008)
. . \ Nick Holland (4 May 2008)
. . . \ ropers (4 May 2008)
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. . . . . \ Owain Ainsworth (4 May 2008)
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. . . . \ Nick Holland (4 May 2008)
. . . . . \ Hannah Schroeter (8 May 2008)
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. . . \ Darrin Chandler (5 May 2008)
. \ Marc Balmer (4 May 2008)
. \ (Christian Weisgerber) (4 May 2008)
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. \ overdrive openbsd (7 May 2008)
. . \ Darrin Chandler (7 May 2008)
. . \ Marco Peereboom (7 May 2008)
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. . \ Hannah Schroeter (8 May 2008)
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2 msg4.2, ppp problem
Subject:Re: Editing C with...
Group:Openbsd-misc
From:Hannah Schroeter
Date:8 May 2008


 
Hi!

On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:42:53AM -0400, Nick Holland wrote:
>ropers wrote:
>> 2008/5/4 Nick Holland <nick>:
>>> "[vim] alters files in unexpected ways", which I consider a
>>> major sin.

>> I didn't know that, and cursory googling didn't turn up anything
>> enlightening. Could you elaborate?

>> Thanks and regards,
>> --ropers

>It might have been better if I had said, "alters my input", instead
>of implying that I edit a file with vim and it gets saved
>differently than loaded without my deliberately changing anything.

>And yes, tabs and auto indent were some of the things.

Now, nvi has auto-indent too (:set ai), just not enabled by default.

>I also had
>an experience with it auto-inserting line breaks which caused me
>large amounts of problem.

Could happen with nvi too (:set wrapmargin=42). Just not enabled by
default.

>All this stuff is there for a reason, and is great for the
>intended purposes. HOWEVER, it's annoying as heck when one's
>purposes don't jive with the editor's defaults.

Now, on *OpenBSD*, the defaults of vim are quite sane IMO. (I.e. syntax
highlighting, auto-indent, text wrapping, smart-tabs, tab expansion,
etc. *off* by default, I have to enable all the fancy I really want in
my $HOME/.vimrc). It's vim as it's distributed on some Linux
distributions that sucks rocks through tiny holes.

>Yes, all those
>defaults can be changed, but on the machine I was fighting with
>at the time, they were in some very inappropriate for my needs, and
>quite unexpected behavior for something I invoked with the command
>"vi". I won't dispute vim is a great editor...I just dislike it
>pretending to be vi on some distributions of another OS. In all
>likelihood, it COULD pass as vi, but not with all the options
>turned on.

Yes. Probably it works for me especially because I mostly use it on
OpenBSD. :-)

>Nick.

Kind regards,

Hannah.



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