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| Subject: | Re: Spam !! |
| Group: | Mozilla-general |
| From: | Moz Champion (Dan) |
| Date: | 17 Mar 2008 |
Melchert Fruitema wrote:
> On 15-03-2008 09:57 CET, Moz Champion (Dan) composed this enchanting
> statement:
>> Daniel wrote:
>>> goodwin wrote:
>>>> On 3/13/2008 8:32 PM »Q« scribbled:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay Garcia <Jay> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems like a lot of the support groups are literally being inundated
>>>>>> with porno spam lately and they just continue to come in
>>>>>> unencumbered.
>>>>>> Who's minding this store anyways ??
>>>>> The ones I've seen have been posted through Google. Forward their
>>>>> headers to the abuse addresses for Google and for mozilla.org.
>>>>
>>>> mozilla.org is not the source - why would you report to mozilla
>>>> abuse???
>>>
>>> Is it possible that Mozilla would then dump anything coming from that
>>> address??
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>
>> Right, then the spammer will use YOUR address next time, and YOU get
>> dumped!
>>
>> Chasing email addressses is nonsense, get the web sites that benefit
>> from the spam.
>
> This concerns reporting an IP address. The hosting of the web sites
> probably won't care in this case.
>
> I would file a report with 'spamcop.net', unless google groups still
> rejects the reports.
>
> Writing to the google groups abuse desk, does not help. They just
> forward your message to gmail.....!
>
> This leaves only one possible route: forward to the host of the IP
> address in the NNTP header tag. Escalate if you do not receive a reply
> by returning mail.
>
Again, why worry about an IP address? It could be a dynamic one and you
end up blocking someone else anyway. And I do believe that a good hacker
can camoflage his IP in the first case.
Why bother chasing down SENDING IPs, when the web site is right there,
in the spam?
You close down/shut down/block an IP, the spammer doesn't care he just
uses another. However, shut down the Website, where he makes money, and
it is a different thing altogether. That costs him/her big time. Without
the website, the spam is useless.
The web site can attempt to camoflage itself, but that usually means a
redirection site - and then you get two for one! <grin>
I have yet to run into a host that will not respond and shut down
spamming websites. China takes about two weeks, but then, so does AT&T.
Sorry, I DID run into one ISP that wouldn't - they themselves were
simply disconnected by their backbone instead.
Most ISPs, connection hosts will shut down an IP for abuse, that's not
the issue. The point being that shutting one down, for whatever cause,
is not going to cost the spammer money. After all, he isn't paying for
the IP essentially. A web site on the other hand, he/she IS paying for
(most free sites or home pages are really good at preventing/controlling
spam sites). Close the web site and you hit the spammer where he/she
lives. Do it several times and you can put him out of business.
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